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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 11:11

Yeah, no-one is turning this country into a trump one. thats just crazy talk as he's an idiot. Sadly we have to rub shoulders with idiots like him as the country daftly thought brexit was a good thing. So now we HAVE to make deals with saudi arabia for guns, or agreeing to trump-esque stuff to get those trade deals in that we currently enjoy with europe.

Will we be ok after brexit? Yes. give it 10 years and we'll be fine and you'll probably find europe having collapsed or a world war having kicked off. But its period in the middle where we're still saddled with debt, the economy is teetering on an edge, and populism is taking over. This is the time that we need decisive characters to grab the country by the balls to make it better. And neither May, Corbyn or Fallon are the right people. Bring back Dave Miliband and I'll vote labour in a second. Have diane abbot lined up as the next home secretary and nope, no red vote from here!
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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 11:22

Scar. read the fullfact website. you're spouting a LOT of figures that are adjusted with reality added to them there.

As a side note i did a quiz once on who to vote for. I'm 69% tory, 65% labour and 62% lib dem. So i can really sway wherever. But Corbyn is a terrifying character. But i certainly dont agree with the tories on a LOT of there manifesto. But as we're a labour safe area, my vote will make no difference.

And yes we made choices in life. What annoys me is when people like you say that we shouldn't make these decisions. Like we're not allowed to spend the money we worked hard for on things that we enjoy. Thats like me telling John he shouldnt buy a drone because theres a single mum living down the street who needs that money. Instead of saying well done, that £1000 drone put £200 into the tax pot for the country.
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Postby scarbunny » 05 Jun 2017, 12:11

OK so some of my figures are off, the fact remains there are fewer police, firemen & soldiers, fewer hospital beds and more national debt despite having been in "Austerity" for 7 years.

Look I don't give a dual what you spend your money on, but you chose to live in London so you can't complain that it's expensive. I chose to live on the Isle of Man, if I want to do anything it involves either a flight or a boat ride, there is limited choice in food outlets and supermarkets and what there is is massively over priced, but I accept that as part of the choice I've made and get on with it.
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Postby robbo » 05 Jun 2017, 12:27

Corbyn's past dealings with certain groups irks/worries me.

I don't like May.

That's pretty much me in a nutshell.
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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 13:14

My issue with the figures being down is that they never say what level it should be at. So were they 20k over in police numbers? And brought down to the correct level. Was this an issue with recruitment as 20k retired and kids all want to be footballers now?

So our friend is a fireman. And his main complaints are the pension, the fact they cant retire at 50 anymore, and the fact they are quieter now. as the number of incidents has dropped by 100k from 700k to 600k. So actually you dont really need more people for the day to day. Its the huge things like a terror attack or warehouse fire that you need to ramp up.

And our policeman friend says that the biggest issue in his day to day is the outsourcing of some departments and the fact he has 4 different IT systems for a single crime. As they arent linked. So they, as all the public sectors do, need an infrastructure overhaul. And outsourcing has been done to use a centralised dept for these items with a company they can pretty much sue if the dual up rather than take the internal heat.

So as with everything the questions are MUCH bigger than the simple sound bites we get from politicians. You can't just throw money you dont have at everything and assume it will all be ok. And the thought that people think 60% tax isnt enough and we should be charged more is crazy! You may as well say no-one should take home more than £20k each. everything above that is taxed at 100%.

Robbo, no-one likes May! literally no-one! We'd all prefer that Cresida Dick woman from the police!
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Postby jurassicjim » 05 Jun 2017, 13:33

It's easy to have your friend fireman and policeman justify what you think, but a single opinion doesn't mean a countries policy should be based on that. I'm sure others will feel very differently in other parts of the country.

Not saying it's right or wrong opinion, but I'm always careful to think in that way personally as it can very easily lead to me thinking in selfish or just wrong ways.

But yeah, it almost feels like arguing about religion to be honest. People who have don't want to give it up to people that don't and it's a fundamental world view that I think is hard to change - and hard to chastise anyone for thinking that way, but I just prefer us to live in a world where we look after each other. I think I'm a different person since having a kid in this respect.

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Postby Tappy » 05 Jun 2017, 13:51

This is your person in parliament, so I'm an advocate of voting for the person who most closely represents your views since they will hopefully debate and vote on matters that aren't even considered yet in the way you would like. However, I live in a Labour area where the second biggest party has been UKIP for a long time, is it worth voting for anything other than Labour and risk UKIP getting in even if my views don't align with Mr Crudass's?

I think that May is a dangerous Woman. There's too much Machiavelli going on there. She's all about the power. I would not trust the policies that she has... wait, what policies? All she says is that she's Strong and Stable and everyone else is rubbish.

I'm going to see if they have updated quizzes for the current manifestos....

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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 13:59

They didn't justify my thoughts at all! they gave me new information that i wasn't expecting! I believed all the politicians. But i appreciate that the issue is hugely complicated and we pay other people to find the answer. In the light of the terrorist attacks in the last 3 months we probably need more counter terrorism people (already a 30% increase in funding planned). But we also need some more boots on the ground. Whether 20k more police people on the beat would have stopped 3 wankers getting in a van and stabbing all those people is debatable. And i'm not a fan of people politicising this issue while people are still fighting for their lives.

At the end of the day Labour are getting in power on Friday. Either through a coalition or a minority government. We will have to let Scotland go in order to get the SNP votes going labours way. And the country will struggle with a house where everything can get shot down for political points. But that democracy and we wouldnt have it any other way!
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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 14:08

Great.. just did one of those and I'm 74% labour, 74% lib dem, 74% tories.

So thats decisive then!

http://uk.isidewith.com
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Postby Tappy » 05 Jun 2017, 14:37

I just did a massively long one and I got this instead.

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That was much more policy based, so, as discussed above, the Conservatives are going to do what they want despite what they've said, so I guess it's the same result.

Worryingly, UKIP are 25.5% and Labour 21.9% for my constituency for the 140 surveys done on the site. Maybe it's all lies to make me vote Labour.
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Postby scarbunny » 05 Jun 2017, 14:49

I am surprised how far left I have gone in the last 2 years, during the previous election I was much more centrist with a leaning more towards the Greens

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Also did that I Side With quiz thing, 89% SNP, 84% Labour & 83% Lib Dem although a more concerning pair of out comes was 46% Conservative compared to 56% BNP?
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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 14:55

And that proves one thing! we have more in common than we have apart! So theres no point in fighting as at its heart i reckon most of us are more central than anything!
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Postby Tappy » 06 Jun 2017, 10:00

Well, I'm gonna stick to my plans and read up on the local Lib Dem fella and see if he's a norm. If so, he's getting my vote. Need more Plaid Cymru people in my area of London...
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Postby EviL Ras » 06 Jun 2017, 11:47

What survey did you guys use for that graph? I fancy giving it a whirl!
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Postby Replicant » 06 Jun 2017, 12:47

EviL Ras wrote:Source of the post Great.. just did one of those and I'm 74% labour, 74% lib dem, 74% tories.

So thats decisive then!

http://uk.isidewith.com


I just did this and got
    77% Lib Dem
    75% Labour
    68% Green
    50% Conservative

I tend to waver around the centre ground so not surprised to see the Tories so low. Especially as they as so far to the right now.
Never voted Labour in my life so I am surprised to see them so high.
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