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Postby jurassicjim » 02 Jun 2017, 08:46

Think I'm going for a tactical Lib Dem vote as about have no realistic chance in my area.

NHS and social care are my main reasons for not voting Tories, plus the rather worrying proposals for the "black box" on internet traffic and increasing their powers here.

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Postby EviL Ras » 02 Jun 2017, 09:22

For us its anything to keep labour and Corbyn out. Living in london, having a decent job, and in line to inherit from a father in law who started with nothing, not even the ability to speak english. But in the eyes of corbyn we're a giant piggy bank who should be used to pay for all my useless cousins who pack bags in supermarkets and thinks the world owes them a living.
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Postby matt » 02 Jun 2017, 13:21

is there a way to check who's the biggest party that isn't conservative in your area.

Ras - apart from 5p on the pound at the higher rate - what's the other concerns with labour re: inheritance?
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Postby Johnmcl7 » 02 Jun 2017, 14:10

matt wrote:Source of the post is there a way to check who's the biggest party that isn't conservative in your area.

Ras - apart from 5p on the pound at the higher rate - what's the other concerns with labour re: inheritance?


You can look up the previous results but there's no real way to see what the balance is likely to be this time particularly with polling being increasingly unreliable at the moment. I'm not sure what it's going to be locally as last time it was either SNP or Lib Dem (although SNP by a long way) but with the lib dems having been mostly eliminated and Conservatives showing much more strongly in Scotland, it could be it's between the SNP and the Conservatives this time.

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Postby EviL Ras » 02 Jun 2017, 16:47

Did you know that we have to pay 60% tax once we get over the line? And they want to make that more?! Like already charging us 60% apparently isn't enough because we must be rich and own a plane, a boat and an island. So we have to pay more to help the people at the bottom who can't be arsed.

Oh no wait. we have to pay 27 times the average wage to get a house down here. And its £6 for a pint. And £10 a day if we want to drive our car around. So we're actually a bit poor! As we rent!

But yeah, everyone just sees us as rich. with my 3 year old computer, £3 t-shirts, 2 year old phone, £3 meal deal, and no savings!
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Postby Johnmcl7 » 02 Jun 2017, 18:41

EviL Ras wrote:Source of the post Did you know that we have to pay 60% tax once we get over the line? And they want to make that more?! Like already charging us 60% apparently isn't enough because we must be rich and own a plane, a boat and an island. So we have to pay more to help the people at the bottom who can't be arsed.

Oh no wait. we have to pay 27 times the average wage to get a house down here. And its £6 for a pint. And £10 a day if we want to drive our car around. So we're actually a bit poor! As we rent!

But yeah, everyone just sees us as rich. with my 3 year old computer, £3 t-shirts, 2 year old phone, £3 meal deal, and no savings!


And a 55K car?

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Postby Johnmcl7 » 02 Jun 2017, 18:43



That's surprising as I didn't think the Lib Dems were a threat to anything these days but seems a clearcut answer :)

It's a little more challenging for me though:

http://whothefuckshouldivotefor.com/con ... Strathspey

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Postby EviL Ras » 03 Jun 2017, 10:54

Exactly John. dual us for coming from nothing and working hard for what we own. Apparently we played the game wrong and should have been lazy like my brother who has a lovely semi detached house, a BMW m3, and has been claiming benefits for the last 8 years.

I'm not going to be ashamed of my wife being able to buy a nice car. She's worked damn hard for what she has. A lot harder than my lazy mates who stay in the same job for 12 years. And then think the world owes them!
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Postby matt » 04 Jun 2017, 08:37

ras some of that feels like choice - oxford is similar with wage to salary ratio so you live at home if it's an option or rent outside and commute in to cover a deposit. Apart from the extra tax on wages, is there anything else that's concerning with Corbyn's monetary policy?

for me the NHS alone is enough to vote against Conservative, but I must admit my ignorance to the rest of the impact of a corbyn / coalition government. As I'm nowhere near the £150k tax band bump it all sounds quite logical. Ask those with a bit more + business rates to cover more.

I do hope all of you in London are OK after last night.
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Postby Replicant » 04 Jun 2017, 10:30

Johnmcl7 wrote:Source of the post
EviL Ras wrote:Source of the post Did you know that we have to pay 60% tax once we get over the line? And they want to make that more?! Like already charging us 60% apparently isn't enough because we must be rich and own a plane, a boat and an island. So we have to pay more to help the people at the bottom who can't be arsed.

Oh no wait. we have to pay 27 times the average wage to get a house down here. And its £6 for a pint. And £10 a day if we want to drive our car around. So we're actually a bit poor! As we rent!

But yeah, everyone just sees us as rich. with my 3 year old computer, £3 t-shirts, 2 year old phone, £3 meal deal, and no savings!


And a 55K car?

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That reminded me of this
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 0604128731

EviL Ras wrote:Source of the post Did you know that we have to pay 60% tax once we get over the line? And they want to make that more?! Like already charging us 60% apparently isn't enough because we must be rich and own a plane, a boat and an island. So we have to pay more to help the people at the bottom who can't be arsed.


Please explain: What is this line that you speak of and how are you paying 60% (income tax?) when I thought the top rate is 45%?
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Postby jurassicjim » 05 Jun 2017, 09:02

For me, Tories are leading us down a few slippery slopes I would like to get off immediately if possible.

Privatisation of health care, reduced investment in education and social care, very police state sounding internet laws and powers, to name the main ones that concern me.

Easy for me to say, but I'm happy for the top 5% to pay a bit more to help spread the wealth in a more fair way. Which to be honest, I would expect any civilised society to be happy with.

I have read and watched all sorts from the Tories, and really, I cannot find one compelling argument that means I should vote for them. Things such as their dealings with Saudi Arabia - blocking certain information from getting out, cuts to police and the recent episode of Amber Rudd seemingly moving to block another candidate from speaking against her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6R ... e=youtu.be

But yeah, Ras be interested to get some clarification on that tax thing, as it's not something I was aware of if true.

Money isn't everything.

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Postby EviL Ras » 05 Jun 2017, 10:02

The Personal Allowance is the amount of income an individual can earn before they start to pay Income Tax but it will be reduced and potentially lost altogether for those whose total income exceeds £100,000. The Personal Allowance (under age 65) is currently £11,000 but you will lose £1 of Personal Allowance for every £2 of Income over £100,000. Anyone with income over the £122,000 (£11,000 x 2) will lose their entire allowance.
As a consequence the Marginal Rate of Tax for someone with income between £100,000 and £122,000 will be 60% (Tax at 40% on income over £100,000 up to £122,000 PLUS Tax at 40% on the loss of Personal Allowance up to £11,000). You can recover the Personal Allowance by reducing your income below the £100,000 limit. Apart from asking your employer to pay you less (not a sensible or popular decision, it may save Tax at 60% but you still lose out on the remaining 40%) the only viable option to consider is a Pension Contribution


And my wife has interviewed at somewhere that might put her in this bracket of £100k with bonuses. So you're better earned less than £100k or go above £122k.

This doesn't affect me, & several of you earn more than me.

Basically the finances are ropey with conservatives, and magic with no limit with labour. And Lib Dem haven't got a hope in hell of getting in.

Pretty much EVERY politician lies or spins. I'd urge you to check the fact checking site - https://fullfact.org/ when making decisions on your vote. Because they're all as crap as each other.
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Postby jurassicjim » 05 Jun 2017, 10:15

EviL Ras wrote:Pretty much EVERY politician lies or spins. I'd urge you to check the fact checking site - https://fullfact.org/ when making decisions on your vote. Because they're all as crap as each other.


Yeah, I've been on this site a lot, and seems to back up my general thinking that Tories are not working in the best interests of the country as a whole.

I agree that there isn't a perfect politician or party, but firmly believe that the Tories will lead us down a path that makes us more aligned with a Trump style America, and that really isn't a place I want to live.

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Postby scarbunny » 05 Jun 2017, 11:08

So because every politician lies you'll willingly vote for a party who's manifesto will directly contribute to the deaths of the elderly, will gut the NHS further and are cutting funding for school dinners which some kids rely on as their only decent meal in the day, whose track record includes pushing the national debt higher than its ever been (an additional £400 billion in 7 years compared to £400 billion in 12 under the previous Labour gov that included the financial crash and bailing out the banks) cutting 20% of our Police at a time when we face increasing threats from terrorism, cutting funding for our Fire Service which has seen a rise in deaths in house fires of 21% in the last year due to under funding, whose NHS cuts have already caused a loss of 15,00 beds (the same as closing 24 hospitals) in the last 6 years despite the increasing need for health care resources as the population ages, and despite all of this refuse to rule out tax rises for all but the richest.

Not to mention the loss of civil liberties, the undermining of privacy, the Orwellian "Investigative Powers Act", the proposed censoring of internet news outlets to protect "Old Media" as well as the puritanical anti porn laws which propose to censor internet porn in the same way as physical media, the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia at the same time as suppressing a report relating to the funding of terrorism which is thought to implement the Saudis.

Sure the Labour manifesto is a little bit woolly and possibly a Utopian pipe dream but I'd rather have a government that is working towards an unattainable utopia than one that's fulfilling every pledge to undermine the well being of the country as a whole.

Also worth pointing out that the loss of the Personal Allowance isn't a Labour manifesto policy as it is how it works currently, so at £100k your wife will only be around £1000 a year worse off than now and still be much better off than 95% of the rest of the population, at £80k and lower you will pay not a penny more in tax. Now maybe having money turns you in to a self serving Tory but right now I would willingly pay more tax for the opportunity to earn that sort of money and pay it happily knowing that our NHS is getting the money it needs to save lives.

On a side note if you chose to live in London you can't really complain about the cost of housing, the price of a pint or having to pay to drive your car which costs more than some peoples houses and more than twice the deposit I paid on my house.
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