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New camera suggestions?

Postby EviL Ras » 12 Aug 2015, 16:45

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I have a canon 450d. which did us proud in zimbabwe. But now we want to swap it from something smaller, without missing out on that stunning lens aspect (Bokeh, 300mm zoom, etc).

I was looking at the Nikon J1, but reviews seemed mixed. The Sony RX100 mk3 is nice, but i'd be limited to that one lens. And i still want to get a prime lens for the camera to take those amazing f1.8 pics!

What sort of options do we have? I'll be selling the 450d and lenses and getting it in Hong Kong in november, as cameras are usually 25-25% cheaper there!
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Re: New camera suggestions?

Postby Johnmcl7 » 12 Aug 2015, 21:38

My first thought would be a Sony Nex camera, it has the same large APS-C sized sensor as your Canon but the bodies are compact. There is a reasonable number of lenses as well including telephoto and prime lenses although they can be a bit pricey as well as a bit bulkier than you'd like.

My second thought would be micro 4/3, it's a stop down from the APS-C sensor but a stop up from the Nikon 1 series and although the camera bodies aren't much smaller than the Sony bodies the lenses tend to be a lot smaller. In particular there's a few tiny pancake primes including the wonderfully versatile 20mm F1.7 (40mm equivalent)

I've looked into the Nikon 1 series but I don't think they've managed to balance the size/weight as well as micro 4/3 or the Sony RX100 as the micro 4/3 cameras and lenses are a similar size and weight despite being a stop better and the RX100 manages to be very compact despite its fast lens.

The Fuji series are extremely well rated although they're mostly focused on primes and tend to be popular with photographers but it sounds like the Sony implementation may suit you better.

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Postby EviL Ras » 12 Aug 2015, 22:45

Think the sony is now the A6000 or A5100 (newer). Just reading up reviews and they look decent.

Whats decent and traditional P&S style 4/3? We're not looking for a baby dslr. just a camera with interchangeable lenses for different shots. (Think zimbabwe when we needed telephoto 300mm zoom!)

The new Nikon 1 J5 is out and they think it has the same 1" sensor as the R100 now. backlit 20mp thing.

We very rarely print these things out. we just like to have the option as we occasionally turn pics into canvas. Having used the DSLR in Zimbabwe, its obvious that we still want that quality of picture! Even though we pretty much sit on manual and let the lenses do the work!
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Postby EviL Ras » 12 Aug 2015, 22:56

Quick look at the sony's. not sure what the comparable 55-250mm lense would be to replace my current one. they do a 55 - 210mm.
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Postby EviL Ras » 13 Aug 2015, 13:07

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Ah, i see what you mean by APS-C now! yes, definately better than the 1" in the nikon! The sony lenses are a bit bigger, but nice to see such a range of E mount lenses even by sigma.

I just looked at the fuji X-T10 and although it is a nice size, there controls on there are far more than we'd ever use! So i'd really need to be sold on the IQ!
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Postby jurassicjim » 13 Aug 2015, 20:35

Have you looked at the Olympus range? Em5/ Em10?

I have the Em5 Mark 2, sold my full frame Nikon D600 and haven't looked back since!

Superb small primes, a VERY cheap and ok 150mm (300mm equivalent) zoom lens, and some excellent PRO lenses if you want to go high end.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Olympus-M-ZUIKO ... s+40-150mm

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Postby jurassicjim » 13 Aug 2015, 20:36

PS I don't think image quality is going to be an issue with any modern camera, they are all pretty good, and your lens, but most importantly the person behind it will make the biggest difference.

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Postby jurassicjim » 13 Aug 2015, 20:38

PPS I wouldn't worry too much about sensor size either, as long as your getting m 4/3 and above, you'll be able to take great photos!

M 4/3 is easy too, just double the focal length to get the full frame equivalent.

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Postby EviL Ras » 13 Aug 2015, 20:53

Cheers Jim! I'm pretty clued up on the A6000 and the nikon 1 J5 now, so i'll start looking into the olympus! And john's Fuji!
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Postby jurassicjim » 13 Aug 2015, 20:55

Yeah, Fuji's are nice, I nearly got one, but the lens selection on the m4/3 and in body stabilisation swayed me to the Olympus.

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Postby EviL Ras » 24 Aug 2015, 21:11

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Having looked at everything, i think the Sony A6000 fits the bill. So i'll be picking one up next week!

I like the size, the price is decent, lenses arent too badly priced, and the IQ seems excellent.

I'm going to get the 16-70mm f4 zeiss lens instead of the kit lens. Yes its bigger, but the IQ is much better. Then treat myself to the 50mm f1.8 prime i think. I've promised myself if i take 10000 pictures, i'll get a Sony 70-200mm f/4 G OSS FE Lens!

Cheers for the tips guys!
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Postby Johnmcl7 » 25 Aug 2015, 22:08

I hope you're happy with it, cameras are all about compromises but I think the Sony strikes a good balance for what you're wanting it for plus it's easy to use automatically if other people are using it. My Mum's camera broke recently and I was away in London with my compact Sony so I advised her to borrow the NEX-6, no problems using it and she got some good shots from it. I know that sounds perhaps obvious but on some cameras with more manual controls they're not so easy to use automatically.

The 16-50mm is still a handy little lens to have as it makes the camera very compact and easy to hold one handed. I have the 50mm F1.8 but I'm not that keen on it as I find it's a bit long for APS-C, I think I'd have been better off with the 35mm as that would give a FoV similar to the 50mm on the full frame sensor. However I think you've got a 50mm for the Canon so you'll be well familiar with the focal length anyway.

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Postby momoka1234 » 26 Aug 2015, 03:49

it's a stop down from the APS-C sensor but a stop up from the Nikon 1 series and although the camera bodies aren't much smaller than the Sony bodies the lenses tend to be a lot smaller.
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Postby EviL Ras » 26 Aug 2015, 11:58

Sony are just getting very good with convergence. Realizing that they are a big company with many fingers in many pies. So the processor will be from one place, sensor will be standard for the range (think RX100MK3, A5100), battery will be standard and used in all cameras. Just means that they can draw on that experience to help shrink the devices down.

The A6000 uses a 22.2mm x 14.8mm APS-C sensor. So thats the same as my 450d's 22.2mm x 14.8mm APS-C sensor, and bigger than the J1's 1" 13.2mm x 8.8mm sensor. Its actually a little smaller than the Canon 750d 22.3mm x 14.9mm APS-C one. But obviously its not all about the size! I crawled through pixelpeeper.com to see what sort of images you can get, and the IQ looks great! I definitely need to learn more about the manual side, and in some respects, that's where mirrorless excels. Because you can see live what the aperture changes and OEV will look like in the final shot.

It just ticks all the boxes. Only interesting as when i got the 450d, i overlooked the sony alphas in favour of the canon eco system. In hindsight, i only ever got 3 lenses! Kit lens, budget zoom, 50mm prime!

So i think i'll get the kit lens with the sony for its size. Then the 16-70mm Zeiss for sharper images, the 70-200mm G OSS when i can afford/justify, the 55-210mm OSS to tide me over (£150 at digitalrev is a no brainer until i can afford the £800 70-200mm!) and probably the 50mm f1.8 prime mainly for portaits. Although the 16-70mm has a constant f4, and the bokeh looks nice for potraits!

Cheers for the help guys!
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Postby Johnmcl7 » 26 Aug 2015, 19:21

EviL Ras wrote:Source of the post The A6000 uses a 22.2mm x 14.8mm APS-C sensor. So thats the same as my 450d's 22.2mm x 14.8mm APS-C sensor, and bigger than the J1's 1" 13.2mm x 8.8mm sensor. Its actually a little smaller than the Canon 750d 22.3mm x 14.9mm APS-C one. But obviously its not all about the size! I crawled through pixelpeeper.com to see what sort of images you can get, and the IQ looks great! I definitely need to learn more about the manual side, and in some respects, that's where mirrorless excels. Because you can see live what the aperture changes and OEV will look like in the final shot.


Although the APS-C sensors vary slightly in size it doesn't make any difference in practice, there is quite a noticeable difference over the 1in sensors though particularly for noise and dynamic range. I have to admit I rarely shoot the Sony in any semi-auto modes unless I'm needing something in particular as the auto mode generally works fine for the type of shooting I do with the camera. If you don't process your raw files though I'd recommend some time getting into that as it's impressive what you can pull out of a file with just the flick of a few sliders particularly the bigger sensors like APS-C where there's a lot of dynamic range that the camera doesn't make use of itself. There's a also a lot more room to make corrections particularly with the colour as the automatic white balance on cameras tends to be poor and only being slightly out can make quite a difference to the final shot. It's a bit of a pain to get started with but once you get into it I find it quite satisfying being able to take in some cases unusable photos and make something decent out of them.

It just ticks all the boxes. Only interesting as when i got the 450d, i overlooked the sony alphas in favour of the canon eco system. In hindsight, i only ever got 3 lenses! Kit lens, budget zoom, 50mm prime!


It was an entirely sensible choice as you never know what you're going to need and with Canon and Nikon there's not just a huge choice of lenses but many available on the second hand market as well, I've been on the other side when I went with Olympus which had a narrow range of admittedly very good lenses but a non-existent second hand market pretty much. What's odd is how the market has changed considerably and Nikon/Canon are no longer the big guns they were with Sony and Panasonic driving the mirrorless market having not had much of a DSLR market while Fuji and Olympus have managed to make the transition to mirrorless and significantly improve their position.

The odd one out is Samsung, like Sony you'd think they'd have been able to be a significant player in the mirrorless market (for a while they were partnered with Pentax for DSLRs but that's now finished) as they have a lot of technology expertise they could apply. They actually have two mirrorless systems, the older NX system which is APS-C and the smaller NX mini which uses a 1 in sensor. They recently released the NX1 which I've heard very little of outside of official reviews despite the fact it's a very impressive camera boasting a lot of new technology that surpasses everyone else in particular beating Sony to produce the first BSI APS-C sensor.

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