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Where are all the new laptops?

Postby UKIan » 21 Apr 2013, 09:56

It looks like there are some 7 series nvida mobile gfx cards pretty much out now, but I've not seen anything using them. Then we've got the disaster which is "not a surface pro" variants, and I'm not sure what Intel are up to. Are we due a 4th gen i* series soon?

The "not a surface pro" disaster is pretty awful. So far we've got the Surface pro (Not available yet), taichi (available? sort of but not really), thinkpad Helix (no due date), Sony duo 11 (out, but not getting good reviews). So it all seems like a bit of a cock up.

I'm sort of after something to replace my dell 17" thing. It's still pretty capable, but the gfx aren't cutting the mustard any more. I quite like touch screen, but as I've found on the sony, it's pretty useless for normal windows apps. but what I really want is less bulk and less weight and a good 1080p screen.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Johnmcl7 » 21 Apr 2013, 15:19

I don't hold the Surface Pro in that high a regard, the entire design seems fatally flawed if you want to use the keyboard as it only works on a solid surface and it has a huge footprint plus the functionality is generally heavily crippled by an almost complete lack of ports and interfaces. The Vaio Duo 11 has compromises but I think it's a much better design overall and I don't think reviewers have really considered it properly as general user feedback is very good. The Duo 11 offers a better specification, much more flexible hardware design (SD card reader, standard hdmi, VGA and gigabit lan all without adapters plus two USB3 ports), it has a much smaller footprint with the keyboard deployed and it can be used on most surfaces including laps. Strangely Sony seem to have squeezed quite a bit more performance out of the same hardware as well than the Surface Pro, still not sure how they've managed to get it going so quickly particularly when it's usually a weak area for Sony.

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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Southwestwall » 21 Apr 2013, 20:44

Maybe the bigger machines are waiting for Haswell. I would expect perhaps to see the nVidia 7 series in the Alienware M18xR2 and/or M17xR4 at some point, but other than that it doesn't seem to be a risk taker's market.

Who is going to be blowing 2K on a lappy any time soon? I won't, though only because my M17xR3 has enough legs in it for another year or two at least ... then it will likely be another M17 or M18

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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby UKIan » 24 Apr 2013, 09:14

Oh I wasn't bigging up the Surface Pro, just highlighting it as the progenitor of the current crop of touch enabled machines. I'm writing this on the Duo, so no complaints there. Well, except I've had to create my own pen holder for it, and I'd like the screen to tilt forward more.

I'm sort of tempted by a Thinkpad Helix when that is released, but actually, it's not that much of a huge improvement over the Duo. I might be slightly happier with the track pad, I'm still getting to grips with the Duo's nipple.

As for the 7 series cards, I'm not really looking for a 2k laptop, I want game performance in a smaller package. It doesn't have to be bleeding edge, just in view of the cutting edge would be nice. 1080p minimum on the screen, a bluray drive, preferably touch, and a significant boost in game performance from my existing 17inch dell.
Lighter and thinner would also be nice.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Tappy » 24 Apr 2013, 10:47

Not sure who makes those kinds of laptops these days. The old favourite, Dell, seem to have mediocre graphics cards in their laptops, leaving the gaming to Alienware, who probably won't add a touchscreen anytime soon, and they normally carry a lot of bulk. My only other thoughts are Samsung. Their Series 7 Chronos have touchscreen already, and they seem to stock the higher end Graphics Cards in some of their machines. But whether they will pair up a touchscreen and a GTX 7xx (when they come out) I dunno. A GT 750M plus touchscreen, seems likely, but comically they are heading away from optical drives!
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Advocate » 30 Apr 2013, 08:45

I've got the Samsung Series 7 Chronos. Flawed in the HDD being slow and not a SSD and not as light as I would like. I also get a lot of missed key strokes as the travel is quite small on the keyboard, no where near as nice to type on as the macbooks. The keys are light and the backlighting seems to come on when it wants making it very difficult to see what the keys are unless you are in a dark room - I'm sure there is a setting to stop this but I haven't dug around for it yet in the stupid windows 8 system. The trackpad is also rather annoying, the whole swipe in from the sides to do things seems to get my Mrs all frustrated - doesn't bother me too much though.

Touchscreen works well and the performance is good with the exception of the things above. Gaming is feasible.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Johnmcl7 » 02 May 2013, 12:38

I can't understand why companies make poor keyboards particularly from decent manufacturers and it's such a major part of a laptop. It bugs me on the Vaio Duo 11 as I can't type at full speed but there's no reason for it particularly because Sony were the ones that pioneered this design and their previous ones the same size have worked well.

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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby robbo » 09 May 2013, 10:48

This new Sony Vaio 13" slider in the form of the Duo 11 could be interesting. I'd most probably still want an optical drive on my next laptop but it's in that nice size that I like. http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/09/sony ... ider-leak/
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Johnmcl7 » 10 May 2013, 13:32

I'm not sure about scaling up this design to 13in as the 11in is already pretty hefty for use as a tablet although the slider format is a good balance between a tablet and a laptop. It's not great though as the keyboard is a bit squashed and it has a trackpoint instead of a touchpad. With a larger 13in machine I don't know if the slider design would be so good as it's going to be impractical as a tablet due to the size/weight then you're also stuck with the limitations of the slider design. Strangely it's less functional than the 11in model as it has less ports apparently.

A workmate bought an XPS 12 which is a bit heftier than the Vaio Duo 11 and I think it's just a bit big to use a tablet making the swinging hinge design not so useful.

I'd certainly be interested to try the 13in model particularly if it comes with Haswell and has a decent keyboard.

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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby UKIan » 30 May 2013, 22:54

robbo wrote:This new Sony Vaio 13" slider in the form of the Duo 11 could be interesting. I'd most probably still want an optical drive on my next laptop but it's in that nice size that I like. http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/09/sony ... ider-leak/


I would not buy this design again. The screen does not tilt far enough forward, so you can only use it properly at its ideal position which is really on a desk. Browsing in bed is a bloody nightmare.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby robbo » 05 Jun 2013, 22:24

Just seen the Sony laptop refresh. The Vaio Pro looks nice (and I assume pricey) and the Fit E interesting for my mid-range needs but still nothing in the 13" size. Maybe I'll just go without an optical drive on my next laptop... Also, didn't realise they made an E series with 11" screen but that isn't on sale from the site.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby PhilHibbs » 13 Jun 2013, 14:11

I'm quite tempted by an MSI GT70. Any horror stories?
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Tappy » 13 Jun 2013, 16:15

PhilHibbs wrote:I'm quite tempted by an MSI GT70. Any horror stories?


Only experience I have of MSI is a friend who's has a gaming laptop from them, probably two years old now, but they still use it for gaming quite happily.

I know you didn't ask, so feel free to ignore me (everyone else does), but that spec could be a bit pricey compared to somewhere like, say, PCspecialist. But I've no knowledge of that company or their build quality, could be rubbish.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby PhilHibbs » 13 Jun 2013, 16:19

Tappy wrote:I know you didn't ask, so feel free to ignore me (everyone else does), but that spec could be a bit pricey compared to somewhere like, say, PCspecialist. But I've no knowledge of that company or their build quality, could be rubbish.

My last two laptops were built to order from small companies - a Rock, then a Kobalt. Both companies have gone out of business, and both laptops had significant problems. I thought I'd go with a slightly more well known and long-standing brand name this time.

Also, by the time you've spec'd up the pcspecialist machine with SSD etc. the price does come a bit closer to the MSI, which has two SSDs included plus the option of a third HDD.
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Re: Where are all the new laptops?

Postby Tappy » 13 Jun 2013, 16:33

PhilHibbs wrote:My last two laptops were built to order from small companies - a Rock, then a Kobalt. Both companies have gone out of business, and both laptops had significant problems. I thought I'd go with a slightly more well known and long-standing brand name this time.


True dat! I've had two Rocks and the company went out of business during my ownership of each! And both had to be sent back for repairs.

Just seemed a lot more money. I was just looking up my friend to ask about their MSI. See if I could get a more definitive answer for you.
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